cyus: (Torchwood)
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Title: Something Beautiful
Characters: Gwen Cooper, Jack Harkness
Rating: PG
Length: 4500 words
Summary: After Torchwood, after Jack, Gwen lives her life, even as Jack comes back.
Notes: written for [livejournal.com profile] writerinadrawer. Beta'd by [livejournal.com profile] 51stcenturyfox.

The place is noisy. Cheap pop music comes over the speakers, and, louder than that, the chatter of a group of girls pressed to a corner of the cafe, chairs grabbed from neighbouring tables to form a fort of their own. Shrieks of laughter emanate from there as Gwen Cooper navigates around two suited men, likely assembly members, to make her way to the front of the line.

"Gwen!" James nods to her, still scribbling on the cup for the order before hers.

Gwen is studying the selection of muffins she doesn't particularly care for and the shortbread that she does. Rhys is going to kill her if she dawdles too long. She can imagine him now, drumming his fingers on the steering wheel, foot on the accelerator and darting eyes.

"Gwen," James calls again, catching her eye.

Gwen gives him a courteous nod in return. The girls giggle when one of them raises her voice, and Gwen instinctively turns her head to them, then back to James. "Venti vanilla latte, venti double chocolate," she says with a smile.

Their orders haven't changed and neither has the shop or even the girls hogging the tables after school and on weekends with the latest gossip. It's so much the same she's afraid to turn her head to the reconstruction still in the Bay. The explosion scrapped the pier and Coffee Mania!, and how ironic it took the small shop and left the monopoly of coffee to Starbucks, likely all a matter of place and time like the rest of it.

"All is well?" she asks James, watching him ring her up.

"Oh yes, they're talking to reopen the quay big? Have you heard?"

She shakes her head briefly, but gives James an encouraging smile. He takes it to go on about the process, and she shouldn't think about it carefully, why they stopped for this shop, why this and not the one in the city or the one over at the Link, they could have just passed,-

"-tion, and then they'll cap it over there." James points out towards the Bay and then she looks across, mid-thought, like you do.

It doesn't hurt, strangely, the signs of construction, construction cranes and floating pieces of concrete and metal reinforcement. A few areas are still cordoned off, UNIT written all over the Keep Out signs without the bold military letters once printed. They are still looking for buried treasures that didn't get pulverised, and her stomach turns at the thought of how much down in the archives could kill the entire planet and how she prays it stays locked down there forever.

They'd let her in. She hasn't tried.

And now that she's looked she can't look away, and, thinking of Rhys and Harriet in the car, her small fingers clasped around his thumb, she can't help but think of Ianto and Jack and Tosh and Owen, and how Torchwood has been her family that got torn apart and burned in too many flames and lost moments.

She'd resented those steps down into the darkness when the sun was coming out for a peek and a play for once, and she'd resented how it was Jack's home and how Ianto had resigned himself to it like he would have to everything, how Tosh seemed to accept it as something better than whatever the alternative would have been and Owen, how he'd looked like he hadn't cared and still lived in a flat that was all windows (as if that didn't show how alien that place really was). Jack had hated all of them a little for every time they connected like humans, and loved them a little for the alien gestures and cold eyes, and she hates all of them a little now that she is still standing at this abyss of destruction and renewal, where they are rebuilding something that no-one would understand, and they'd all gone and left her to it.

"It's still strange, sometimes," James says and breaks through her silent reverie. "I come in to work and think I've moved on and suddenly, like Snakes & Ladders, there's the ring of the explosion and I'm back two steps after Start and it takes a moment before I remember."

Gwen shakes her head because talking to the retconned leaves the bitter taste of fabricated terrorist attacks, and her sympathetic smile catches on the edges as she tries to keep it right there on her face and steady for all their sakes. One of the girls pushes past her on the way to the toilet, red and blue and yellow colours in her clothes and a smile as another from her table calls something to her.

"Got to climb," Gwen says and pushes over the notes to pay for the coffees.

James nods and hands over the change. "Good seeing you, Gwen."

Gwen moves to the end of the counter and her mumbled reply gets lost in an answered phone call of someone in a suit. Behind the man's head, out through the windows of the small shop, a yellow crane is turning another piece of concrete to cordon off the wall.

It's been not quite a year since Jack, eighteen months since Ianto, two years and counting since Tosh and Owen, and Rhys is still there, and Harriet is still there, and she is getting a coffee in the Starbucks at the edge of it all -- as if she lacks the images in her head and has to force herself to be here in person to understand.

"Venti vanilla latte, venti double choc, love," the boy behind the counter says with a bored tone and sneaks a glance at the table of girls that sneak glances at him and giggle. He brushes back his hair and blushes behind the steam nozzles and espresso presses and Gwen gives him a smile he doesn't quite take note of.

"Be seeing you, Gwen!" James calls out over the thrum of a customer's order and she nods.

To be honest, Canton is out far enough to make it easy not to come anymore without thinking it the grand excuse. A soldier pushes past her, hands red with cold and their eyes meet for a second. She knows him from the day-long debriefings in the wake of that, by face at least. His eyes skirt over her face, a flash of recognition, hesitation and then an aborted salute.

She shakes her head and pushes out, keeps her eyes on the pavement, and on the chairs and on the green and white railing dressing, then turns sharply, and whatever has been the Bay and Cardiff and home is at her back. Rhys stares at her through the car window, a little concern in that draw of his eyes. The coffee sloshes in the paper cups. He opens the door for her and she slides in.

Harriet gurgles in the backseat.

"They're," she gestures out through the window, "they're cleaning up."

Rhys, bless him, nods and takes the coffee from her. She doesn't elaborate, even as he puts the car into gear and takes them out for a weekend away. She doesn't say, they're cleaning up, and no-one remembers. She doesn't say, they're cleaning up, and no-one knows. She turns to Harriet, and she doesn't say, I love you but how can I look at you and not remember what I lost.

She catches Rhys's eye and the way his jaw tightens: he knows. He's always known. And she hates that there is nothing she can do to make it undone.



"My name is Jack," Jack says with a grin.

Harriet is seven and should know better than to talk to strange people in strange clothes that appear out of nowhere at the local playground in a small village far outside Cardiff where unemployment is high and the local pubs are filled after work with the ones that haven't made over to England. That's what Gwen had taught her, she should know better even if she's not old enough to know that the pub's where her Da goes whenever he's not home.

Harriet is old enough to eye Jack with distrust even as she plays with the chain of the swing and slowly draws it back and forth.

When Gwen Cooper turns around the side of the street, comes past the hedge, she expects the coat to go with the voice but Jack's lost that as much as he hasn't lost anything else. He looks up to Gwen and straightens when she walks onto the playground. She wants to kiss him. First thought to come to her mind, she wants to kiss him because he wouldn't taste of alcohol and he wouldn't taste of choices made.

Harriet looks between them, from Jack to Gwen to Jack and then back at the chain of the swing between her fingers.

"I'm back," Jack says, trademark chuckle in his voice.

Gwen shakes her head. "Go away. Just go." She takes Harriet by the hand to draw her away.

"I'm back, Gwen."

"To count the survivors or count the suicides, Jack?" Gwen's voice is harsh, the way police work turns it, the way aliens matter less when you are out in the country and you just ignore the reports in the paper because it's none of your business. And then go and cut them out, secretly, until a drunken rage and a shouting match litters them like debris across your floors. Because she can't, couldn't do that anymore, but if she was ever capable of a lie it was that she didn't care about the girls with the bruises and the boys with the knives. She couldn't but she's trying to act it when she goes into work on another shift and Rhys is in bed or in the pub or actually trying, standing at the stove and cooking lunch for Harriet.

"I'm sorry," Jack says.

"It doesn't solve this," and Gwen lets go of Harriet's hand to walk right up to Jack and say, "it doesn't bring him back, Jack. He's still dead."

Jack doesn't even flinch. Gwen doesn't ask how long it's been for him, because the rest of them don't have the chance to jump between threads of time and unravel ladders into snakes; some of them had to walk this bloody path step by step.

Lucy from across the street is watching, and Sian from two houses over. Gwen's lips set into a smile. They'll talk, and Ian at work will bring it up when they swap bad coffee in the work room and she'll laugh it off and secretly wish it had happened just once, just so it's true.

Jack is watching them, her and Harriet, like they are his excuse for a family now.

"I'm not him," Gwen says, and reaches for Harriet again. "I don't crawl into your coat and give up everything because I think that surely it must be better than what I have. Don't ask me to walk away."

She doesn't say that she wants him to take her away and take her down to that place in the ground to maybe feel safe.

Jack pushes his hands into the pockets of his trousers. "The rift's still active."

Gwen shrugs. "UNIT has, we get calls sometimes up here, that UNIT-" but she shrugs and doesn't say it. She doesn't want to think of the Hub rebuilt and those walkways they've walked miraculously there again.

"They'd leave it to me, Gwen. I'll recruit David and maybe Mica when she wants to, and possibly Andy, and-"

"Ianto's-"

"David, he's-"

"Haven't you destroyed enough lives? Haven't you destroyed enough of that family that you need to take their children now?"

"He's good, resourceful, fierce."

Gwen shakes her head, draws Harriet away, down those badly cobbled streets with grass growing between the pavement.

"Harriet, too, if she wants to, in-"

Gwen turns. "You don't get to take our children, Jack. You don't get to come in here and take what is ours all over again."

"I want to make things right." He draws his hands out of the pockets of his trousers and lifts them like a construction crane over the Bay, carrying invisible concrete to fill the holes and build dams and keep water from bubbling inside. Building something new to hide all the shame and the scars of something old.

"You'd even take Gray if he hadn't turned to dust, wouldn't you? You'd take my unborn if it was there," and Jack's eyes flicker enough to prove her words true. "You don't get any of them. Don't even dare go to Rhiannon and ask her, don't even dare approach any of them, Jack Harkness. You lost every chance when-"

"I had to leave, Gwen-"

"-you lost every chance when you had to leave."

A lorry drives past and robs them of words for a moment.

"I would have taken Steven," Jack says, "trained him, made him..." he trails off.

Harriet presses close to Gwen and Gwen shakes her head. "And I just bet Alice was terrified of that. We are not your soldiers, Jack. We are just this, just human. This world doesn't work like this. And they are all dead and no-one, no matter how much they look like him, is him, and no-one is anyone else you lost. We all lost them, Jack. All of us. You can't just recreate us from nothing because someone shares our genes."

She waits for an explanation that tells her she is wrong.

He lifts his chin. "I can show them something beautiful, like I showed you." His eyes carry the words like they are the only truth he believes.

And Gwen Cooper turns from that man with the handsome face, from those eyes and that coat that's missing and still there. She would have given her life for him once if he'd ever asked her to, but not now. She draws Harriet past the small grocer's, and the post box that is only emptied once a day here even along the main road. Harriet stumbles after her, sandaled feet making slapping noises on the stones, and keeps turning for the man who stands at the mouth of the alley, in that backdrop of rusting playground ruins and an uncharacteristically blue sky.

Gwen Cooper wishes she could run, and for a moment, loosening the grip on her daughter's hand, she is halfway there to letting go and leaving her with Rhys and be like Ianto and choose a life that cuts all those ties to a real life above ground. For a moment she wishes there weren't parents to visit and parents to be, and she wishes Rhys wasn't drinking in a pub and instead reminded her what she'd be giving up, because someone could show her something beautiful.

It's only the cobbled stones that keep her from turning. It's only Harriet's chattering voice of ma, and the most stupid, Sian watching from behind the curtain and Gwen not wanting to give her another reason to talk off her mouth about their family.

Jack is watching and Gwen wishes she could turn to him and have him allow her to run away like he had all of the others. Then Harriet tugs her forward.



Gwen stands at the window of their semi, keeps the curtain brushed back and watches those strange lights one night, and weevils the next, and even watches zombies that one time before UNIT quite notices what they have on their hands. A cup of coffee in her hand, she sometimes manages not to think of Ianto, but most of the time she does, especially when she glances at the notebook of occurrences and her handwriting. She's hidden it under the sofa cushion, but Harriet looks at her strangely sometimes.

She sips the coffee and it's quite good enough, but she wishes Ianto was there to share a smile over it. And she turns on her computer and thinks of Tosh and goes to the doctor's and thinks of Owen, inevitably.

Harriet comes from the kitchen, a slice of bread with jam in her hand. "Having one of those days, ma?" she asks, leaned against the doorframe. She's going out later like every weekend. Her mate's got a license and they are driving into Cardiff for the clubs.

Rhys has left, and it still feels like she failed him, like she should have been the better person and moved on from it somehow but she never has, saying Jack too often and I love you not often enough in words or gestures or even pretence.

Gwen gives Harriet a smile and lets the curtain fall back. "No aliens tonight," she says. "Is Johnny driving?"

Harriet gives a nod and catches the jam that tries to make it off the slice of bread with her tongue. "Showing off, he is. You should see him in the Globe then, hanging in the corner as the boys from the city show off."

Gwen nods. "Call when you get there?"

"Ma." Harriet rolls her eyes and her thumping steps make it up the stairs to her room.

The truth is, when Gwen stands there at the curtain and looks out into the night, she's always afraid to find Jack Harkness standing outside, ready to take her child away with the promise of something unimaginable and wonderful, or maybe take her if she hopes hard enough.

There's been talk. And she knows he's back in Cardiff, with David and Mica, maybe both, and she wouldn't put it past him to be taking David down to a room to show him love amidst the rotten darkness of the world. It's a little sick how right it feels.

"Be careful," she calls up again. Harriet doesn't remember the man in the coat that didn't want only ten percent of their children but all of them to defend the earth or maybe just to build a private sanctuary for someone who couldn't ever let go, a live museum in a room with no windows.

Minutes pass as she is staring out into the night, and Harriet walks past her and presses a dry kiss to her cheek, a promise on her lips. Johnny pulls up in his car and Harriet slides in amidst laughter, and Gwen is watching until the tail lights make their way far away.

It leaves Gwen's house in silence then, leaves her staring at the headlights flickering past her kitchen window from the street beyond that way. This is how she went from not enough time for a clear thought to too much time for a clear thought. The coffee machine gurgles in the kitchen. The light cuts a clear corridor into the living room.

She's glad now that there are no photos of visits to the pub, or awkward group shots in front of signs or on stairs for the sake of an archive with their birth and death dates added in marker by the archivist.

Torchwood.

The only place that exists now is her memory; it isn't in photos, it isn't written on any scrap of paper, but sometimes, in the middle of the night when she is on shift with Ian and huddled in the cold as they observe someone's restraining order, she catches herself with a smile on her lips as she remembers the long hours in the SUV with Ianto and the coffee from the thermos, swapping stories about Jack to pass the time.

Cock sizes and adventures in bed, and she contributed something about Rhys and her to keep it fair and like they were both sharing something vital. A stolen kiss when the light had been out in the SUV, and they'd missed a weevil and never talked of it. She could taste Jack on his lips, and he'd said he could taste something like a life out there. When she'd waited at the cog door he'd shaken his head and crawled down to sleep in Jack's arms.

Whatever happened that day, it's nothing Ianto hadn't chosen. And Gwen hates Jack most of all because he'd let him, he'd let all of them choose when he knew it would kill them.

Those memories by coffee machine, by stationery, by stray word and moon light, they are still there. Gwen's mobile buzzes. She thumbs it open, and it's Harriet telling her that they've made it to Cardiff safe and not crashed the car, ma.

She feels guilty now she ever thought to leave her.

She feels guilty now she still thinks to leave, but how foolish when she wants to leave into her memories. She misses Ianto and Jack and Tosh and Owen and all of then. She misses climbing the ladders with them and dangling from snakes' tails by the tips of her fingers.

Her shift starts soon. She hopes Jack leaves her daughter alone in Cardiff tonight, he has been good so far, and maybe David will make him happy, or Mica, and maybe Rhiannon doesn't mind.

Likely, she doesn't know. That's Torchwood.



Gwen thinks she should have chosen a more dramatic moment for herself to be buying a coffee in the Starbucks, a near-death experience of closure. But the Starbucks goes by a different name, bought by a bigger company as such things go, and if her life is near-death then she doesn't know. As she walks into the shop she has to squeeze around a group of giggling girls and boys, their chairs drawn tight around one of the tables in the corner as they debate politics and philosophy over hot coffees and laughter.

Gwen stands in line and eyes the shortbread, then glances up at the display of coffees, a guilty smile as it's her turn and she orders a large vanilla latte. After all these years, she still thinks of Ianto's frown of disbelief when he caught her with a Starbucks cup she couldn't hide quite fast enough, and she'd been doomed to fetch her coffee from there for all of that week, had it eat a hole into her spending money.

"There you go, love," the boy at the counter tells her as he pushes over her coffee. She takes it with a smile and pushes past the businessmen, bluetooth buttons in their ears, to walk out.

The Bay is vibrant again. It looks not much like she remembers, no piers, but she's seen it on photos in the paper; it's not that different. A little maybe. Rhys called her to say hello a few weeks ago and they've spoken for an hour, the first time without accusations and dark undertones of disappointment. Harriet's stayed at his in Cardiff for a few weeks.

This holds no trace of Torchwood any longer. Gwen can't resist leaning over the railing to glance down to where the tourist office entrance would have been, but that is gone and water laps against hard concrete there now.

"We are up by the castle now."

Gwen manages not to flinch, just nods.

"Are you still in Treherbert?"

"Like you don't know," Gwen says, but can't keep that smile to herself, that comes so easy without, well, without too much of a hint of bitterness. She turns and faces Jack over the paper cup of coffee. "Like you don't know," she repeats after a sip.

He stands too close, and his fingers, as he brushes the hair from her face, are too soft, and he's too young, but that's not surprising, of all of them.

She tries to think if she wants to ask, but finds she doesn't. Then, "how long, when you came to see me, how long since-"

He looks past her to the Bay, and she wants to straighten his shirt and put everything in order.

"You don't want to know," he says.

"Afraid I'd call you a coward?" She shrugs, but has never been one to pull her punches. "Longer than a lifetime or you wouldn't be here," she guesses.

Jack gives no reply.

"You're a coward." None of them had had the benefit of playing the game with skewed dice.

"I'm back. There's an opening-"

She cuts him off before he gets out the words and takes her coffee and steps around him. "I made my choice, Jack, I'm making my choice. I'm not Ianto or Tosh or Owen, I'm not full of ideals or despair or no choice. I would have followed you into death then." She turns to look at him. "I'm not following you into it now, or ever or-"

"Gwen-"

"I read the papers. The incidents, multiplying, increasing intensity, is this when everything changes, Jack?"

Jack has the decency to look her in the eye. "Harriet's grown, Rhys is-"

She smiles, a little crooked, as it catches on the plastic of the coffee's lid as she sips and savours and swallows. "I'm not expendable." She glances past him at the Bay.

"That's not-"

"I have a family, Jack, I don't know where you got them from, any of them, but I've never been like them." She looks right at him, and she shakes her head. "And you know it, you always did." She turns fully then, walking away across the new plass, with her paper coffee cup in her grasp and the coffee sloshing against the plastic lid. She wants to run away for him but she isn't thirty now or thirty-five, and she isn't this lost in this world to still want that.

Her mobile is ringing and she picks it up with her hand, the old fashioned way, foregoing the bluetooth knob.

"I accepted the offer, ma!" Harriet exclaims in her ear. It's a job with the Royal Navy, and Gwen would have been happier if her daughter hadn't been this much like her, but it'd be good for her, an opportunity.

"Congratulations," she says into the phone and other things, and when she looks over her shoulder Jack is still watching, but he doesn't have her, and he doesn't have her daughter, and now she wonders sometimes how she could have ever wanted to slip into bed with him, to slip into his secrets.

He salutes her from afar, and she looks to the water tower they've rebuilt and salutes all of them in turn, Tosh and Owen and Ianto, and maybe herself a little. They've done good, if only all those figures still stood on the board to roll the dice.

Harriet tells her about the newest boyfriend and Gwen forces herself to listen as she leaves the plass behind, and Torchwood, and Jack, for good.

Date: 2009-11-04 03:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teaboyfan.livejournal.com
Maybe one reason nobody collects their pension in Torchwood is that grown-ups won't fall for the recruitment pitch. There's a reason the army drafts 18-year-olds. I like the way Gwen remembers the younger self that would have died for him, but has moved beyond that, and the way she can remember everyone she's lost without tearing herself up any more. This impressed the hell put of me when I read it in WIAD, and it still hits hard.

Date: 2009-11-09 10:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cyus.livejournal.com
That's actually a pretty good point. The selling point isn't that glorious anymore when there are other things in your life -- huh, never thought about it that way, but that's good, I like that, and yeah, you know, there is never any doubt about it for me, that Gwen loves Jack like all of them must have loved Jack to do all this for him (and sure, to save the world etc, but really mostly for him and his passion), but she's matured maybe and maybe had enough years to find her own core meaning of life that has nothing to do with Jack Harkness. Glad it still works after all these weeks, and thanks for the comment on here, appreciate it.

Date: 2009-11-04 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kita0610.livejournal.com
Oh this was GORGEOUS.

I want to quote you bits but I'd be here all day, quoting the whole thing.

Just absolute perfection. In the end, Gwen really is the hero, isn't she? For just living her life, and being human.

So well done. Thank you for this.

Date: 2009-11-09 10:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cyus.livejournal.com
She is, yes, and I freely admit that a lot of the fandom's discussion about Gwen not losing anything etc. was very present when I wrote this, just to show her perspective of it, and show her moving on and dealing and figuring a way through it. Jack's a coward and Ianto's dead and she has no choice but to stay, so that's really -- I found that intriguing as a concept, obviously. So hey, thanks for the comment, and happy to hear you enjoyed this.

Date: 2009-11-09 11:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cyus.livejournal.com
PS. Thanks for the rec in your LJ. I appreciate it.

Date: 2009-11-04 04:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] myhappyface.livejournal.com
This is exactly what I was waiting for after CoE, but I didn't realize it until you wrote it. Beautiful.

Date: 2009-11-09 10:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cyus.livejournal.com
Thanks very much. It is certainly only one interpretation of a life post-CoE and if there is a canon after CoE I'm pretty sure it won't be this one, but this wanted to be written a little, to have something that is only about Gwen and then, you know, can never not be about Jack, because it's Torchwood. So, thanks very much, and I appreciate the comment.

Date: 2009-11-04 04:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] av-chick.livejournal.com
That was so moving and beautiful! I have to agree with pp, that is the perfect closure for Gwen after COE. I think it's the best post-COE fic I've read.

Date: 2009-11-09 10:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cyus.livejournal.com
That's high praise, thank you very much. It's certainly one way it could have gone after CoE and it just seemed too good an opportunity for this type of character portrayal to miss after CoE. I like seeing Gwen all grown up, I think. Anyway, thanks, glad you enjoyed it.

Date: 2009-11-04 05:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davidsgirl8414.livejournal.com
whoa that was whoa growing up away from torchwood away from all that. Maybe Tosh and Ianto and Owen dying was better then livving without it and the memories. That was amazing.

Date: 2009-11-09 10:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cyus.livejournal.com
Thanks very much for the comment. Indeed, I don't think Gwen thinks in regrets and I do think that Torchwood, even after all those years, is still a big part of her, but at the same time, she's not a part of it, anymore, and it makes it easier.

Date: 2009-11-04 07:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lynnenne
He salutes her from afar, and she looks to the water tower they've rebuilt and salutes all of them in turn, Tosh and Owen and Ianto, and maybe herself a little. They've done good, if only all those figures still stood on the board to roll the dice.

*bursts into tears*

Gwen is so my hero. Well done.

Date: 2009-11-05 01:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paragraphs.livejournal.com
I burst into tears every time I read this. You are so not alone. (and I've read it about eight or so times, too--gets me EVERY SINGLE TIME!)

Date: 2009-11-09 10:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cyus.livejournal.com
She's mine, too, a little, for having that strength to have lived through it and walk away with a fond smile and respect but knowing it's not her fight anymore. And I think of all the team, Gwen is the only one who could have ever chosen to walk away, the others were too tangled up with Jack, with Torchwood, etc. Aw man, I love Gwen.

Thanks for the ocmment, I appreciate it.

Date: 2009-11-04 10:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nancybrown.livejournal.com
Wow! That was really well done. I love your Gwen, and how she grows. :D

Date: 2009-11-09 10:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cyus.livejournal.com
Thanks very much! I'm still happy I wrote, and happy it turned out like this.

Date: 2009-11-04 11:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] dmarley.livejournal.com
This was wonderful. Okay, it's probably not the way the actual show will play out, but I completely believe every bit of this, believe that, yeah, this could happen.

I love Gwen in this. I'm not sure I can express this very well, but I love that Gwen is bitter and angry, knows she's bitter and angry, and in fact has damn good reason to be bitter and angry. You show how well she knows herself, and yet she's still unable to keep her life from spiraling down. You also show her as not giving up, and most of all, not giving in to the temptation to run off with Jack. She won't do what Jack did to make her hate him so much. She's also capable of changing things for herself, of healing and moving on and trying to repair things, while Jack seems to be stuck in the same mindset he had at the beginning of the story. I have no idea if any of that made sense, but the short version is that I loved your take on Gwen. :)

Speaking of Jack, the Jack/Gwen dynamic was perfect. You showed how much Gwen wanted it, but at the same time she knew that to run off with Jack would be to give up, not to mention the conflict of hating him even as she wanted him to free her from everything that was going wrong. I also enjoyed the nicely unexpected UST between Gwen and Ianto. I found it very telling that it seemed less that Gwen wasn't willing to cheat on Rhys, and more than Ianto couldn't separate himself from Jack, couldn't, it seemed, think of himself as being a person apart from Jack.

I liked that you didn't shirk from the idea that everyone at Torchwood was damaged. They're all incredibly complex, and you did a masterful job in conveying that complexity in this story. Even the detail of Owen's windows said so much, and I'm really impressed that you managed to show so many different facets of all the characters, both good and bad.

Jack's wish to take Harriet--and Mica and David--into Torchwood absolutely chilled me. By showing how Gwen reacted, you left me wondering what on earth happened to make David and Mica join, what Jack said to Rhiannon and Johnny and how they feel about it.

Gwen's relationship with Rhys was such a heartbreaker, more so because there was that sign of mending at the end. I hate to think of them breaking up, but again, you managed to convince me that it could happen and make it believable and poignant.

This story was so well-done, start to finish. Thanks so much for sharing it.

Date: 2009-11-09 11:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cyus.livejournal.com
I'm sure this isn't how S4 will play out because Torchwood isn't that show, and that's awesome (I likely wouldn't watch it if it was), but yeah this is one scenario that could happen, and I'm happy to hear that it is a scenario that would work for you.

As I said in a few other replies to people here, this certainly plays with the idea that Gwen has always been the only member of Team Torchwood that could have ever walked away from Torchwood, and really, walked away from Jack. None of the others could have ever told him no, and that makes them interesting as characters (and I write enough Ianto fic that has elements of that), but it also makes her interesting as a character. She has a different core strength and in this story, in this interpretation in her narrative, she does comment on not seeing that core strength in Ianto, for example, and I'd agree. One interpretation of Ianto is certainly that his core strength has been replaced by belief in Jack, and he functions like that. That said, that is the Ianto from this story, really, and in other stories, in other interpretations, I might say something completely different (that's the beauty of fanfic for me, that you can have different layers in different stories, and they don't have to negate one another, they are just different interpretations drawn from the same canon gestures, actions and words).

The windows of Owen's flat, that was such a lucky sudden thought, actually, since I do play with the Torchwood-as-a-prison idea quite a bit, and the windows only then struck me as quite intriguing as I wrote down his name in that line. It's, I think, in part one of my favorite things about the fic, Torchwood as Gwen sees it in this story, the layers that are her layers of interpretation (LOL, I'm a fan of my own story, it's a bit pathetic).

I have had feedback (in the original writer in a drawer feedback) that criticized that Rhys left, and that said that Rhys wouldn't ever do that. The thing is though, everyone would when they are with someone who keeps on going on about a life they had, another person they loved, even ten years down the road, who has an obsession that is only somewhat comprehensible. I think there's an end to patience there, and possibly rightfully so, an end to willingness to just accept that obsession. Sure it's sad, but to say that there is no way Rhys would leave, that there is no way they would split up, 10, 20 years down the road, well, that's not how lives work.

Mica and David-- I played with that element (also for the parallel of the 456 that Gwen makes obvious in there somewhere) and because the idea that Jack would take David for a lover, that David would happily do it, is in itself worth a story because I think it's possible for all reasons of guilt, memory, responsibility, wanting to live up to ideals etc. It's a fairly small line in the story, but I love how it sets Jack's character in it, actually, and explains the Jack of that moment without ever saying much more.

Anyway, I can never write short replies to comments, I like talking fic too much, but thanks so much for your long comment, appreciate it greatly.

Date: 2009-11-05 12:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a2zmom.livejournal.com
Here from Kita.

Just beautiful. I love that Gwen has a life and finally grows past the dangerous baubles that Jack has to offer. Jack isn't evil but he's recklass in a way that can only lead to destruction.

I don't know if you've ever read Peter Pan, but Jack reminds me of that here, eternally young, snatching the children of those he once loved.

Date: 2009-11-09 10:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cyus.livejournal.com
Oh I completely agree, Jack is full of good intentions and when says things like showing people something beautiful I think he believes it, and I think that it's part of having to live with the limitations of a time that isn't ad advanced as the one he comes from and just wanting and needing people to see the same things he sees and, you know, wanting companionship. I like your Peter Pan comparison, that really works for me for this interpretation of Jack (which naturally is only one interpretation and only one or two layers of who he is as a character, really). And it's quite tragic. Ah, I love the tragedy of Torchwood, that's what drew me in to write fanfic in this fandom, all the little points of connection and the massive points of complete disconnection.

Anyway, thanks for your comment, appreciate it.

Date: 2009-11-05 02:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] durayan.livejournal.com
This is so lovely! I love how this evolved--it's very original. I've read nothing like this, but can see how this scenario must be one that has played out before in Jack's life. You do a beautiful job of showing how profoundly Gwen has been haunted by Torchwood---how possibly the damage to her is more profound than the damage to any of them, insofar as the others died, and she has had to find a way to live.

Really, very well-done!

Date: 2009-11-09 10:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cyus.livejournal.com
Certainly, and I'm not sure how much you're aware of that, part of what made me write this story was the discussion (or I should say, plural, were the myriad of discussions) in the wake of CoE about Gwen not having to pay a price, about Gwen coming away healthy and happy and alive and without repercussions while the writers of CoE kept talking about consequences things have for characters. And this, in some ways, is the idea of, 'well, what does happen to Gwen, what are the consequences?' and no doubt they are different to dying, and different to losing a close family member, but they are still there, just not spelled out in canon. So yeah, I'm not sure if the damage to her is more profound than the damage to any of them, but what makes it tragic is that she doesn't have the option to just walk away from it like Jack did, even if she wanted, she doesn't have a choice; and lack of choice is certainly one of the more miserable things in life.

Whoa ramble, anyway, I appreciate your comment and the compliments, and I do agree that Jack must have had this happen before, even if rarely. I don't think many people walk away from him, mostly because he chooses the ones that bind themselves tightly.

Date: 2009-11-10 02:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] durayan.livejournal.com
I'm new to Torchwood---didn't start watching until September or so, so here I am having MISSED all the discussion when CoE happened. So very slow, but catching up. So, please, ramble away.

I thought your portrait of Gwen here was very believable, and actually seems rather like something that might have happened in the relationship with Alice--which seems colored by the same sort of distrust Gwen displays in your story.

What a curse--Jack is driven to connect with people, physically and emotionally, in spite of what must be repeated experiences of loss, and of growing apart, and of distrust and bitterness. Anyway, again, I really, REALLY enjoyed this fic!

Date: 2009-11-10 10:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cyus.livejournal.com
I'm not sure it's such a bad position to be in, to be fairly honest. Fandom after CoE was, and still is, in places, not that much of a happy place, so it must be an interesting time to enter into this and start reading. The discussions of, "Gwen should have lost her baby, if we're really talking about consequences here" are a bit hard to stomach for anyone, so, I'd say it's not a bad thing to have missed the height of that.

I agree about the parallel with Alice actually. Both women have lived through what Torchwood could do and walked away, and in Alice's case, she got drawn back in by pure association to Jack, and that, to actually see what you feared would happen and fought against, happen -- that must be an additional layer of heartbreak. It's one of my favorite scenes in CoE, actually, Alice walking away from Jack again, and probably permanently that time.

Humans are social beings, so I'm sure he actually tried not connecting to anyone, but I doubt he managed for more than 20, 30 years at a time, maybe 50, but much like the Doctor, I think, Jack loves people, he couldn't stay away.

Thanks again, and hope you'll be enjoying your time with Torchwood fic, and such.

Date: 2009-11-05 02:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] topgeargirl2.livejournal.com
This was very good, really enjoyed it. I'm glad I've seen COE now. Since I'm now not sure if I will watch series 4.

Seeing Gwen damaged by Torchwood was hauntingly beautiful but I'm not sure about Jack since he blames himself for everyone's deaths so I would see him letting go of Torchwood but that's just me.

Well Done

Date: 2009-11-09 10:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cyus.livejournal.com
This is certainly only one possible scenario, one possible interpretation of what could happen. If there is a series 4, I'm 99% certain it will play out differently, mostly because the series is called Torchwood and is about fighting aliens, not about coping with CoE. But as an alternative viewpoint, I think this is one possible scenario. Jack letting go of Torchwood or not, again, both interpretations are certainly possible and equally intriguing in fiction. There is never only one truth when you write, there are only different options and different interpretations, and they can all work.

Thanks for the comment, I do appreciate it.

Date: 2009-11-05 05:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] timeofchange.livejournal.com
Here on a rec from [livejournal.com profile] kita0610. This is really gorgeous.

Date: 2009-11-09 10:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cyus.livejournal.com
Thanks very much! Appreciate it.

Date: 2009-11-06 03:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huesiemama.livejournal.com
This is really lovely, a realistic look in to Gwen's post-Torchwood life.

Date: 2009-11-09 10:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cyus.livejournal.com
At least one possible post-Torchwood and/or post-CoE life, yeah. Glad you enjoyed that, and thanks for the comment.

Date: 2009-11-06 08:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] txvoodoo.livejournal.com
I very much enjoyed this — a different view of things, and a sympathetic eye to Gwen

Date: 2009-11-09 11:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cyus.livejournal.com
As I said in other comments, a great deal of the motivation for this came directly from the discussions after CoE that were quite unsympathetic towards Gwen (and still are) as a character and as a character in CoE. So, I take the different view certainly, and happy to hear you enjoyed it. Thanks very much for the comment.

Date: 2009-11-07 07:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aquila-star.livejournal.com
This is lovely and bittersweet and painful all at the same time. I believe that this is how it would go, that Gwen wouldn't go back, even if Jack asked her. s4 might go another way, if it ever happens, but there it is.

You've created the mood very well, and it might just haunt me for a while. Wonderful, difficult, beautiful fic.

Date: 2009-11-09 11:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cyus.livejournal.com
I'm fairly sure S4 will go another way if it happens, yes, mostly because it's a show called Torchwood that's about fighting aliens and not about the aftermath of CoE (and rightfully so), but that's why we have fanfiction really, to write about the possible scenarios, to play with interpretations we won't see on screen, so am glad to hear this works as one possible scenario for you. And I think Gwen is over Jack, in that she still loves him, because I don't think you can stop loving Jack Harkness, but there isn't that pull anymore because she's lived her own life, and, as I said in other comments, I think she's over him in ways the rest of the original Team Torchwood of canon never could have been, there lives too intertwined with Jack and Torchwood and mostly Jack as Torchwood. That makes Gwen interesting for me as a character, that she's always related differently to Jack than the rest of them.

Anyway, am happy to hear you enjoyed this one, and thanks very much for your comment, I appreciate it.

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Date: 2009-11-09 09:58 pm (UTC)
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Date: 2010-01-26 11:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wynkat1313.livejournal.com
um.
so, you already know this is technically awesome, elegant and beautiful, but there, I said it anyway.

um... emotionally... I hate this. oy. Gods I have sucker's romantic streak for Jack and his promises. *sigh* This makes SO much sense and that's part of what I hate. It does make sense. It is the real world and what might have been / might be. Him coming back to rebuild/recruit all the generations and the kids and continuing on.

Even if she's wrong and that's not what he's up to, its still... just ow. and ow. and yet I made myself finish it because all the romance in the world is not going to change the fact that this is also true.

Date: 2010-01-27 12:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paragraphs.livejournal.com
I cannot read this without crying when Jack salutes. every single time

Yes, am crying now...

Date: 2010-03-12 11:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mcparrot.livejournal.com
Whoa...
I found this quite bleak - this is not the life I'd want for Gwen, but very real and very moving.
Well written.
Here from TWhouse btw.

Date: 2010-03-12 01:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] ravenja1170.livejournal.com
*takesabigbreath* that was ... amazing, really, really amazing. With the responsibility of raising a child I can actually see Gwen do this.

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